After the Egyptian Revolution: The Wars of Religion

 

Christian Teen Killed In Egyptian Riot

After the Egyptian Revolution: The Wars of Religion

The angry, aggressive crowd formed within minutes of my arrival. Dozens of Muslim men came together in the middle of the dusty dirt path leading to the Church of the Two Martyrs in this village south of Cairo.

The men were determined to block access to what has become a sectarian sore: a church overrun by Muslim locals and desecrated.

“You can’t see it!” a group of men screamed.

In an armored personnel carrier, several soldiers in red berets watched the fracas from farther up the road.

Closer by, at least a dozen soldiers in flak jackets and helmets marched down an adjacent side street, barring anyone from following them. “You are not allowed to pass,” some of the men yelled at me. “Leave! Leave now!”

 “Are you Christian?” another asked.

“What are you going to see?” asked Mahmoud Mohammad, 30, who appeared to be their spokesman.
“Destroyed walls and a burned building?”

I told him I wanted to reach the church. 

“It’s not a church,” he said, raising his voice. “It is a meeting place, and we don’t want a church here,” he added before grabbing my notebook, ripping out several pages and forcibly marching me out of the village.

(THE CHURCH OF ST MINUS AND ST GEORGE HAS BEEN LOCATED ON THAT SITE FOR 1700 YEARS – 400 years before the start of Islam)

Egyptian Army Blocks Street

(The dispute started over a relationship between a Muslim woman and a Christian man. When the father of the woman refused to “maintain his family’s homor (by killing his daughter) the father was murdered by a cousin. In turn, the murdered man’s son, killed his father’s murderer.)

“After Friday prayers, some of the youth were angry and still mourning, so they came to the church looking for that filthy Christian,” Mohammad said, referring to the young man involved in the love affair.

They didn’t find him, but they ransacked the church. “We found wine (communion wine) and books against Islam,” (Bibles – most of the Muslim villagers can’t read) Mohammad claimed as other men interrupted to speak of other alleged wrongdoings by their Christian neighbors. “They rape our women!” one yelled. “They overcharge us at their stores!” said another.

It is unclear how many people were killed in Sole, but after Christians demonstrated in Cairo on Tuesday night against the desecration of the village church, a fight ensued with groups of Muslims, leading to violence that left 13 dead and 140 wounded.

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Many of Sole’s Christian residents have fled, fearing further violence. Maher Sadiq, 26, isn’t one of them. He says many of the town’s Christian menfolk are staying to defend their homes. Sadiq, who says his house is on the same street as the church. “They’ve turned the church into a mosque,”he said by telephone. “There’s a banner in front of it that says ‘Al-Ramla Mosque.’ They’re not letting anyone go near the church. We will not leave. We’re prepared to die here.”

 Aziz Narooz, 27, and Hani Diab, 26, traveled from Sole earlier on Wednesday to join the hundreds of Coptic Christians maintaining a sit-in outside the state television headquarters. Many were sleeping on blankets spread out on the pavement. Most were carrying large wooden crosses. “People are scared. Some haven’t left their homes in days,” “They burned our church, they kicked around the statues of our saints” and “They tore up the Bible, and they’re still there.”

 

VIDEO: Egyptian Armed Forces Fire At Christian Monastery – 19 Injured – St. Bishoy Monastery

Egyptian Soldier prepares to fire RPG round at St Bishoy Monastery

Egyptian Armed Forces Fire At Christian Monasteries, 19 Injured

For the second time in as many days, Egyptian armed force stormed the 5th century old St. Bishoy monastery in Wadi el-Natroun, 110 kilometers from Cairo. Live ammunition was fired, wounding two monks and six Coptic monastery workers. Several sources confirmed the army’s use of RPG ammunition. Four people have been arrested including three monks and a Coptic lawyer who was at the monastery investigating yesterday’s army attack.
 
The armed forces stormed the main entrance gate to the monastery in the morning using five tanks, armored vehicles and a bulldozer to demolish the fence built by the monastery last month to protect themselves and the monastery from the lawlessness which prevailed in Egypt during the January 25 Uprising.

The monks had built a hand made brick wall with a gate during the weeks long “revolution” in order to protect both

Ancient Monastery of St. Bishoy

 the Monks and the Monastary from roving bands of armed criminals.

One of the monks was beaten severely enough by one of the “criminals” during the revolution that he remains hospitalized today ….

Why would the Army use force to destroy the security wall and gate before the civil police have returned to the streets of this village?

Won’t this action simply encourage the “criminals” to return and do more violence to the monasetry and the monks?

9 Christians Killed, 150 Injured in Attack By 15,000 Muslims and Egyptian Army

9 Christians Killed, 150 Injured in Attack By 15,000 Muslims and Egyptian Army 

Entrance St. Simon the Tanner Monastery

According to Father Abram Fahmy, pastor of St. Simon the Tanner Monastery in Mokatam Hills, on the outskirts of Cairo, Copts were killed and injured today in a fresh attack by Muslims. It was reported the Egyptian army fired live ammunition on Copts. The attack has claimed until now the lives of 9 Copts and injured 150, 45 seriously. 

St. Simon the Tanner Church is a series of caves containing seven churches and chapels of the Monastery of St. Simon the Tanner. Carved directly from the rock, the Coptic Christian churches are a unique example of the faith and dedication of the zabaleen people. The church(es) are tucked away in the Muqattam Hills.

Muslims threw fire balls at the Monastery from the top of the hills. Coptic youth have arrested five of them, who are now being held within the Monastery grounds, waiting to be handed over to the authorities. 

Eight homes and 20 garbage recycling factories owned by Copts have been torched, as well as 30 garbage collection vehicles.

St Simon the Tanner Hall (Cave #1)

The incident started when 500 Coptic demonstrators from Manshier Nasr, which is near the Monastery, were on their way to join the Coptic protest near the Egyptian TV Building, to show their solidarity with the Copts of the village of Soul in Atfif, who were forcibly displaced from their village and their church torched. Nearly 15,000 Muslims from the nearby area of Sayeda Aisha and Mokattam, who were armed with weapons including automatic guns, confronted the Copts. 

The clashes first started with hurling of stones at the Coptic demonstrators, then Molotov Cocktails. According to eyewitnesses the Copts called the army which arrived at the scene at 15:00 (3:00 PM Egyptian time) with 10 tanks . At first the military stood by watching, then shot in the air, then at the Coptic side with live ammunition. 

“We were at one side and the Muslim on the other, we have hundreds of injured at the Coptic side,” said an eyewitness. “The Muslims were also shooting from behind the army tanks.”  

 

Christians march from Cairo TV to Tahrir Sqaure

There was a media blackout on the incident. There are no reports of any Muslim casualties. 

SO MUCH FOR THE OFTEN REPEATED CLAIM THAT THE EYPTIAN MILITARY CAN PREVENT THE FUNDAMENTALISTS FROM TAKING CONTROL OF EGYPT. AS THE SMALL NUMBER OF SECULAR LEFTISTS IN EGYPT IS SWEPT OUT OF THE WAY BY THEIR MASTERS, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, EGYPT PLUNGES FULL SPEED AHEAD INTO A REINCARNATION AS A FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC STATE.  

IRAN REPEATED.

Sectarian Clashes in Egypt Challenge Revolutionary Idealism

 

Christians march from Cairo TV to Tahrir Sqaure

Sectarian Clashes in Egypt Challenge Revolutionary Idealism

 
CAIRO: On the banks of the Nile, in the middle of a roiling protest Wednesday by hundreds of chanting Christians, a man raised a Koran in one hand and a wooden cross in the other. “I came here because we don’t want sectarian strife,” said Ahmed Moustafa, a 37-year-old Muslim. “Muslims and Christians are united.”  

But such idealism might be waning as Egyptians confront the worst outbreak of religious violence since Hosni Mubarak was swept out of power Feb. 11. The deaths of 13 people in clashes in Cairo between Muslims and Christians late Tuesday have prompted calls for religious tolerance and raised the prospect of a deepening sectarian divide after a post-revolution honeymoon period. Street battles broke out after Copts set up roadblocks in major arteries to protest the destruction of one of their churches. Security is scant in this metropolis of 18 million, where the military-controlled government is still groping to find a way to tamp down crime with no functioning police force. 

Muslim Brotherhood gathers in Tahrir Square for counter protest

Although clashes between Muslims and Christians are not new in Egypt, they often take place far from the capital. That the overnight violence continued for hours near the heart of Cairo is bound to add to concerns among Christians that weeks of tumult in Egypt have left them particularly vulnerable in a country that is overwhelmingly Muslim. 

Some witnesses said that the Egyptian army had stood by for as long as four hours without intervening in the fighting.  http://aina.org/news/2011039212001.htm

Protesters march in Cairo after church attacks

Officials said that all of those who were killed died of gunshot wounds and that 140 others were injured. Copts said that all of the victims were Christian adherents, but other reports said that as many as five Muslims were killed.

SO MUCH FOR THE OFTEN REPEATED CLAIM THAT THE EYPTIAN MILITARY CAN PREVENT THE FUNDAMENTALISTS FROM TAKING CONTROL OF EGYPT.
 
AS THE SMALL NUMBER OF SECULAR LEFTISTS IN EGYPT IS SWEPT OUT OF THE WAY BY THEIR MASTERS, THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD, EGYPT PLUNGES FULL SPEED AHEAD INTO A REINCARNATION AS AN FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC STATE.  

IRAN REPEATED.

Egypt’s Islamic Revolution: Christian-Muslim clashes in Egypt kill 11

Christians Killed In Church Attack

CAIRO – Security and hospital officials say Muslim-Christian clashes in the Egyptian capital Cairo killed 11 people and wounded more than 90.

The clashes broke out Tuesday night when a Muslim mob attacked thousands of Christians protesting against the burning of a Cairo church last week. Muslims torched the church in a Cairo suburb amid an escalation of tensions between the two religious groups over a love affair between a Muslim and a Christian that set off a violent feud between families of the couple.

The officials said Wednesday that the killed were six Christians and five Muslims.

They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP’s earlier story is below.

CAIRO (AP) — Clashes between Muslims and Christian in the Egyptian capital killed at least six people, security and

This car bonb killed 21 outside a Coptic Church in Egypt

 hospital officials said Wednesday.

They said the clashes took place late Tuesday night and lasted several hours. The fighting involved the use of guns, clubs and knifes, they added. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

The clashes began when several thousand Christians protested against the burning last week of a church in a Cairo suburb by a Muslim mob following a deadly clash between Muslims and Christians over a love affair between a Muslim and a Christian.

The Christian protesters on Tuesday blocked a vital highway, burning tires and pelting cars with rocks.

Burning Car Cairo

An angry crowd of Muslims set upon the Christians and the two sides fought pitched battles for about four hours. The six killed were believed to be mostly Christians who died of gunshot wounds.

Tuesday’s clashes are the latest evidence of the security vacuum in Egypt that followed the ouster on Feb. 11 of President Hosni Mubarak at the end of 18 days of anti-government protests. The police have pulled out from Cairo and several other cities three days into the uprising and are yet to fully take back the streets, a fact that has unleashed a wave of violent crime and even lawlessness in some parts of the nation.

Mubarak handed power to the military when he stepped down but it does not have enough troops to police every street in Cairo, a sprawling city of some 18 million people that, at the best of times, looks like it is about to descend into chaos.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110309/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_egypt

Egyptian Armed Forces Fire at Christian Monasteries, 19 Injured

St. Bishoy Monastery

Egyptian Armed Forces Fire at Christian Monasteries, 19 Injured

For the second time in as many days, Egyptian armed force stormed the 5th century old St. Bishoy monastery in Wadi el-Natroun, 110 kilometers (66 miles) from Cairo. Live ammunition was fired, wounding two monks and six Coptic monastery workers. Several sources confirmed the army’s use of RPG ammunition. Four people have been arrested including three monks and a Coptic lawyer who was at the monastery investigating yesterday’s army attack.Monk Aksios Ava Bishoy reported the armed forces stormed the main entrance gate to the monastery in the morning using five tanks, armored vehicles and a bulldozer to demolish the fence built by the monastery last month to protect themselves and the monastery from the lawlessness which prevailed in Egypt during the January 25 Uprising.(Five Tanks vs, Three Monks …. The Army should have called in reinforcements) “When we tried to address them, the army fired live bullets, wounding Father Feltaows in the leg and Father Barnabas in the abdomen,” said Monk Ava Bishoy. “Six Coptic workers in the monastery were also injured, some with serious injuries to the chest.”Father Hemanot Ava Bishoy said the army fired live ammunition and RPGs continuously for 30 minutes, which hit part of the ancient fence inside the monastery. “The army was shocked to see the monks standing there praying ‘Lord have mercy’ without running away. This is what really upset them,” he said. “As the soldiers were demolishing the gate and the fence they were chanting ‘Allahu Akbar’ and ‘Victory, Victory’.”He also added that the army prevented the monastery’s car from taking the injured to hospital.

Monastery of St. Makarios of Alexandria

The army also attacked the Monastery of St. Makarios of Alexandria in Wady el-Rayan, Fayoum, 100 km (60 miles) from Cairo. It stormed the monastery and fired live ammunition on the monks. Father Mina said that one monk was shot and more than ten have injuries caused by being beaten with batons. The army demolished the newly erected fence and one room from the actual monastery and confiscated building materials. The monastery had also built a fence to protect itself after January 25 and after being attacked by armed Arabs and robbers leading to the injury of six monks, including one monk in critical condition who is still hospitalized.

The army had given on February 21 an ultimatum to this monastery that if the

Brother Nicoderne St. Bishoy Monastery, Egypt

 fence was not demolished within 48 hours by the monks, the army would remove it themselves.The Egyptian Armed Forces issued a statement on their Facebook page denying that any attack took place on St. Bishoy Monastery.(WELL THAT SETTLES IT!  IF YOU READ IT ON FACE BOOK IT MUST BE TRUE!)Father Hedra Ava Bishoy said they are in possession of whole carton of empty bullet shells besides the people who are presently in hospital to prove otherwise.The army attack came after the monks built a fence for their protection after the police guards left their posts and fled post the January 25th Uprising and after being attacked by prisoners who were at large, having escaped from their prisons during that period.”We contacted state security and they said there was no police available for protection,” said Father Bemwa,” So we called the Egyptian TV dozens of times to appeal for help and then we were put in touch with the military personnel who told us to protect ourselves until they reach us.”Nearly 7000 Copts staged a peaceful rally in front of the Coptic Cathedral in Cairo, after which they marched towards Tahrir Square to protest the armed forces attacks on Coptic monasteries….

Conflict in The Middle East – The difference between Islamic Shura and Western Democracy

EGYPT: The citizens of the Middle East are not talking about a “western democracy” in Egypt, Saudi Arabia or anywhere else in the Islamic Middle East … In Saudi Arabia they are “in conflict” over two different types of “shura” or “Islamic consultation”…. The Islamic word “shura” does not translate into the English word “democracy” as the AP and the American Politicians seem to think…. 

The “King”, “Prime Minister” or “President” or whatever title you want to use in an Islamic State, it doesn’t really matter because the real “bosses” in an Islamic State, like Iran, Saudi Arabia or Egypt in two weeks, are the “Religious Elders” or “Islamic Jurists”, not the people, Royals or the Politicians. 

An Islamic State doesn’t consult “with the people” … unless those people are appointed by the “Islamic Jurists”… an Islamic State consults with God, not the people … 

In Saudi Arabia the Sunni form of “shura” is the “Ulema” … the Shia protesters in Saudi Arabia want the “consultations” to take place with the Mullahs in Iran …. not the “religious elders” in Saudi Arabia … that is hardly a shift to a democratic form of government… 

The Egyptian people see the “Islamic Elders” in Egypt as being less corrupt than Mubarak’s regime, but that doesn’t translate to the “elders” being more “democratic”.

THE REVOLUTION IN EGYPT WAS NOT ABOUT EXPANDING WESTERN DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT – IT WAS ABOUT RETURNING EGYPT TO AN ISLAMIC STATE WITH ISLAMIC CONTROL OF THE GOVERNMENT – ABOUT ENDING SECULARISM IN EGYPT…

A secularism, that according to Islam, is inherently corrupt, because the Government’s decisions were not being authorized by Islam or the Islamic Elders … that the Government was corrupt because it was corrupting Islam… 

THE PROTESTERS IN SAUDI ARABIA AND EGYPT ARE NOT PROTESTING AGAINST ISLAM … THEY ARE NOT PROTESTING TO END THE ISLAMIC SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IN SAUDI ARABIA OR TO LIMIT ISLAMIC GOVERNMENT IN EGYPT.

IN SAUDI ARABIA THE DISPUTE IS OVER WHICH GROUP OF “RELIGIOUS ELDERS” WILL OVERSEE RELIGIOUS DOCTRINE… THE RELIGIOUS ELDERS OF SAUDI ARABIA OR IRAN. 

and the American Press and Politicians are jumping up and down shouting about democracy ….. FOOLS … 

THE ISLAMIC WORD SHURA DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO THE ENGLISH WORD DEMOCRACY… 

SHURA MEANS THAT EVERY GOVERNMENTAL DECISION MUST BE MADE IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH FUNDAMENTALIST ISLAMIC LAW … SHURA DOES NOT MEAN “IN CONSULTATION WITH THE PEOPLE”… 

SHURA MEANS “IN CONSULTATION” WITH THE “RELIGIOUS ELDERS” … THAT BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT ACTS, IT MUST OBTAIN PERMISSION FROM THE ISLAMIC SCHOLARS OR JURISTS … not the common Egyptian, Saudi or Iranian…  

In Egypt the upper house of the Parliament, what is called the Senate in the United States or the House of Lords in Britain, was called the SHURA … but the Egyptian Shura did not consult with the Islamic Elders, it did not seek permission from the “Islamic Elders” it was a “SECULAR GOVERNING BODY” and as such it was an affront to Islam … a corruption.

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